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le: 30. 03. 2005 [04:35]
paul@malete.org
Klaus Ripke
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Hi Braulio, Roger and all you other folks

Stefan Fisahn <sf@esef.net>
is considering to prepare an online workshop/tutorial
on OpenIsis in english for AKI Stuttgart.
If I got it right, there would even be some money involved,
although probably not much.

Who would contribute what?

saludos
Klaus

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le: 30. 03. 2005 [05:47]
sf@esef.net
Stefan Fisahn
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On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 11:35:26AM +0200, Klaus Ripke wrote:
> Hi Braulio, Roger and all you other folks
>
> Stefan Fisahn <sf@esef.net>
> is considering to prepare an online workshop/tutorial
> on OpenIsis in english for AKI Stuttgart.
> If I got it right, there would even be some money involved,
> although probably not much.
>
> Who would contribute what?
>
> saludos
> Klaus


Hi,

yes - AKI Stuttgart would be glad if you present OpenISIS by means of
an online workhop.

Ususally a online workshop from AKI Stuttgart means:

- Length: 1 month. (Not to hard daily tasks - the participants
work)
- communication via a mailman list from AKI
- Presentation Platform: seminar.aki-stuttgart.de (FreeBSD)
- 400.- Euro honorar for the trainer. OK, thats not a lot - but we are
just a non commercial organisation.


regards,
sf.





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le: 30. 03. 2005 [07:50]
roger@infomed.sld.cu
Roger Peña Escob
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Mensaje citado por Stefan Fisahn <sf@esef.net>:

> On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 11:35:26AM +0200, Klaus Ripke wrote:
> > Hi Braulio, Roger and all you other folks
> >
> > Stefan Fisahn <sf@esef.net>
> > is considering to prepare an online workshop/tutorial
> > on OpenIsis in english for AKI Stuttgart.
> > If I got it right, there would even be some money involved,
> > although probably not much.
> >
> > Who would contribute what?

ok, my english is not perfect, but i can do something, depends of the dem=
and icon_smile.gif, the only
promess I can make is that I will do my best

my only experience with OpenIsis is Clabel and the resource it use, and t=
hats mean only
PHP-Openisis, i have to accept that I don't know enought 'openisis' and i=
t's potencial,
and because of that any questions like:

how it sort the recors?
how it sort the results?

and a lot more questions as howto openisis works .... sorry, i can not an=
wser that kind of
questions icon_frown.gif

the only thing I can do great is howto to use php-openisis in order to bu=
ild an interfase
to an isis db, specially with clabel icon_smile.gif

> Ususally a online workshop from AKI Stuttgart means:
>
> - Length: 1 month. (Not to hard daily tasks - the participants
> work)
> - communication via a mailman list from AKI

I am use to work and give support with mailing list, so I think that will=
not be a problem

> - Presentation Platform: seminar.aki-stuttgart.de (FreeBSD)

is it in german? i couldn't understand that icon_smile.gif


> - 400.- Euro honorar for the trainer. OK, thats not a lot - but we are

it is a lot icon_smile.gif, right now i need money but i could do it for nothing (fr=
ee)

i just like that FLOSS has it's way into the isis world icon_smile.gif

cu
roger

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le: 30. 03. 2005 [13:35]
braulio
Braulio Solano Rojas
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Hi!

>> > Who would contribute what?

> ok, my english is not perfect, but i can do something, depends of the
> demand icon_smile.gif, the only
> promess I can make is that I will do my best

Roger, I believe Klaus is asking for a tangible contribution.

>> Ususally a online workshop from AKI Stuttgart means:
>>
>> - Length: 1 month. (Not to hard daily tasks - the participants
>> work)
>> - communication via a mailman list from AKI
>> - Presentation Platform: seminar.aki-stuttgart.de (FreeBSD)
>> - 400.- Euro honorar for the trainer. OK, thats not a lot - but we are

> it is a lot icon_smile.gif, right now i need money but i could do it for nothing
> (free)

Roger, that is not a lot. In Europe costs are higher than in Central
America. They pay taxes and some benefits that we don't have in our way of
life (for instance when you loose your job in some European countries
government gives you money). Also, some of the countries when they changed
to Euro had an inflation (thing prices raised). I agree with you that with
400 Euro one person (or maybe two people) could live one month or more in
Central America and the Caribbean, but that's not actually true in Europe
(good or bad would be too long to discuss). Thus, that is not a lot from
the European point of view.

World is a mess!

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Saludos amicales y abrazos a todos,

B.

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le: 30. 03. 2005 [14:13]
sf@esef.net
Stefan Fisahn
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>(free)
>
> Roger, that is not a lot. In Europe costs are higher than in Central
> America. They pay taxes and some benefits that we don't have in our way of
> life (for instance when you loose your job in some European countries
> government gives you money). Also, some of the countries when they changed
> to Euro had an inflation (thing prices raised). I agree with you that with
> 400 Euro one person (or maybe two people) could live one month or more in
> Central America and the Caribbean, but that's not actually true in Europe
> (good or bad would be too long to discuss). Thus, that is not a lot from
> the European point of view.
>
> World is a mess!
>
> Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

yes you could.


Note, we are a non commercial organisation, also our german trainer
give courses for 400 Euro.
Some do it also for free.
AKI-Stuttgart is not coursemashine ltd.

On the other hand the participants are not the people who can afford a
1500 Euro Course but a 50 .- Euro course from the afford.

BTW, everybody (also me) who work for the AKI Stuttgart do it for free.

You got the system, you got the message?

regards,
sf.



>
> Saludos amicales y abrazos a todos,
>
> B.
>

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le: 30. 03. 2005 [15:29]
rafael.antonio@sapo.pt
rafael.antonio@sapo.pt
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Dear friends,
I have followed your comments about online course.
What this means for me is related about future suport on PHP-OPENISIS.
If this is an alternative to WINSIS why no follow their way - free! I
understand that services must be paid but if just for a course we begin
this way what about upgrades and suport.

Rafael Antonio

Stefan Fisahn wrote:

> >(free)
>
>
>>Roger, that is not a lot. In Europe costs are higher than in Central
>>America. They pay taxes and some benefits that we don't have in our way of
>>life (for instance when you loose your job in some European countries
>>government gives you money). Also, some of the countries when they changed
>>to Euro had an inflation (thing prices raised). I agree with you that with
>>400 Euro one person (or maybe two people) could live one month or more in
>>Central America and the Caribbean, but that's not actually true in Europe
>>(good or bad would be too long to discuss). Thus, that is not a lot from
>>the European point of view.
>>
>>World is a mess!
>>
>>Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
>>
>>
>
>yes you could.
>
>
>Note, we are a non commercial organisation, also our german trainer
>give courses for 400 Euro.
>Some do it also for free.
>AKI-Stuttgart is not coursemashine ltd.
>
>On the other hand the participants are not the people who can afford a
>1500 Euro Course but a 50 .- Euro course from the afford.
>
>BTW, everybody (also me) who work for the AKI Stuttgart do it for free.
>
>You got the system, you got the message?
>
>regards,
>sf.
>
>
>
>
>
>>Saludos amicales y abrazos a todos,
>>
>>B.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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le: 30. 03. 2005 [17:31]
orkcu@yahoo.com
Peña
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Mensaje citado por Rafael António
<rafael.antonio@sapo.pt>:

> Dear friends,
> I have followed your comments about online course.
> What this means for me is related about future
suport >on PHP-OPENISIS.
> If this is an alternative to WINSIS why no follow
>their way - free! I
> understand that services must be paid but if just
for >a course we begin
> this way what about upgrades and suport.
>

I don't know exactly what you mean

OpenIsis-Malete, PHP-Openisis are both free as beer,
and free as freedown, the last one is just a BIG plus
over any other tool for isis-db

you can't compare the way UNESCO works to the way
openisis developers works icon_smile.gif, UNESCO get money from
others resorces, _you_, as a citizen, are paying the
winisis develop, so, it is not so rare that winisis is
gratis. Something complete different is for OpenIsis
developers, just think about it

roger



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le: 30. 03. 2005 [18:34]
braulio
Braulio Solano Rojas
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Hi!

> BTW, everybody (also me) who work for the AKI Stuttgart do it for free.

I congratulate you. I do also things for free. The archive of the
php @ openisis[dot]org list is afforded by me and I do not ask anything for it.
By the way, I am proud to say that is the most visited part of my website,
900 visits (not hits) just in this month.

> You got the system, you got the message?

Actually I don't. I got the system, but not the message. What do you mean?

Also, IMHO there is a lot of confusion with a lot of concepts. The meaning
of "free" is just one for instance. I also can be wrong about what I
understood from Klaus email and from Roger email. I thought that *we* had
to contribute 400 Euro to a trainer in Europe, and I also thought that it
was not a lot for that European fellow because the cost of life in Europe is
higher (I was being fair). *Please* note that the Roger email was Klaus
email expanded with some reply and some quoting cuted that was not before in
the thread, so there is a lost of context.

Lately I am speaking french, english and spanish. I am really having a hard
time dealing with all the languages and idiosyncrasies, and I am making a
lot of confusions. There is a miscommunication, but it is my fault I
believe. I am loosing my focus... due to the three languages I am dealing
with, and the email disorder also has something to do.

Therefore I apologize if I am making confusions myself and ask for some
comprehension.

I also ask for some more explanation... because I am still a little bit
lost. Maybe more concrete questions would be better for me.

Best regards,

B.

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le: 30. 03. 2005 [21:25]
sf@esef.net
Stefan Fisahn
Inscrit depuis: 31.12.1969
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> Actually I don't. I got the system, but not the message. What do you mean?
>

Hi,

Ok just the facts.

- AKI Stuttgart is a Organization for librarians and Information workers
generally.
- We organize workshops, trainings and lectures to various topics for
training each other.
- For april I planed a short one day workshop about ISIS. Giving a
overview from CDS/ISIS to OpenISIS. ISIS is not very known in Germany.
Some international requests (India, Pakistan) for a OpenISIS-workshop (online)
and the contact to Klaus encouraged me to a "change of plan".
- The result: We (AKI Stuttgart) organize a online-workshop in May. I
just fix some details than the date will go public.
- Trainer will be Roger from Cuba, I'll moderate the training.
- The 400 Euro pay AKI to Roger.

regards,
sf.

And just a try as Conlang (constructed languages) enthusiastic:
The message in Lingua Franca Nova (www.lingua.franca-nova.net) icon_smile.gif


- AKI Stuttgart estas un organiza per bibliotecores e labores informada
jeneral.
- Nos organiza instruintes e parlantes supra temas varios per instrui nos a
nos.
- En april me ia projeta un intruinte corta per un dia supra ISIS. Per
un vista jeneral da CDS/ISIS a OpenISIS. ISIS no es tre conoseda en
Deutxland. Alga demandas internasional (India, Pacistan) per un
instruinte supra OpenISIS (rede) e la contata a Klaus ia coraji me per
un "cambia de la projeta".
- La resulta: Nos (AKI Stuttgart) organiza a intruinte rede en maio. Me
sola fisa alga detales e la data va vade publical.
- Mestre va es Roger da Cuba. Me va moderate la instruinte.
- La 400 Euro paia AKI a Roger.

salute,
sf.



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le: 31. 03. 2005 [08:40]
sf@esef.net
Stefan Fisahn
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Hi,

here we go:
http://www.aki-stuttgart.de/anzeige.php?id=945


salute,
sf.

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