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Escrito en: 06. 01. 2005 [08:50]
braulio
Braulio Solano Rojas
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Hola Klaus, ¡próspero año nuevo!

> Braulio or some other PHP export on php @ openisis[dot]org
> might help ...

icon_wink.gif Of course.

> > I downloaded the tar files of Openisis, php openisis.
> > Php was already installed here. After unzipping the
> > openisis, i went through the install manual and as
> > suggested there made the directory shared which
> > successfully worked then i copied the created files to
> > their destination. But the next step,./compile said
> > that "You have to install php first and make sure that
> > phpize file is in /usr/bin". And i m hanged here.
> >
> > Please try to solve my problem

I will try to help and you try to solve your problem. The message is very
clear. You need to have PHP *complete* in order to compile the extension.
However, sometimes phpize is in /usr/local/bin. Then just open the file
'compile' and change phpize=${phpize:-"/usr/bin/phpize"} to
/usr/local/bin/phpize.

In some Linux distros phpize does not come installed by default and you will
need to install some php-devel-???.rpm package.

And of course, you need to be root in order to "see" phpize, don't forget
about it.

By the way. I believe it is better to install PEAR and install php-openisis
using:

pear install isis

Happy new year,

B.

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Escrito en: 06. 01. 2005 [15:23]
paul@malete.org
Klaus Ripke
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Hola listeros!

Braulio Jos=E9 Solano Rojas wrote:
> Hola Klaus, =A1pr=F3spero a=F1o nuevo!
gutes neues Jahr!

=2E.. and maybe it's time to learn some
portoguese this year
=2E.. no, we're about to acquire Bireme icon_smile.gif

It's not about Sao Paolo, but Rio,
home of lua, which is going to be the
builtin language of the next version ...


=A1pura vida!

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Escrito en: 08. 01. 2005 [12:50]
rafael.antonio@sapo.pt
rafael.antonio@sapo.pt
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Dear Braulio,

I have been followoing your developments but still without a good understand=
ing
about PHP-OpenISIS and WWWISIS.
Malete is another doubt for me. I am using WINISIS and woul like to have a W=
EB
acess but it is dificult to decide.
Can you tell me any about this subject ?
Many thanks,

Rafael Ant=F3nio - Portugal

Citando Klaus Ripke <paul@malete.org>:

> Hola listeros!
>
> Braulio Jos=E9 Solano Rojas wrote:
> > Hola Klaus, =A1pr=F3spero a=F1o nuevo!
> gutes neues Jahr!
>
> ... and maybe it's time to learn some
> portoguese this year
> ... no, we're about to acquire Bireme icon_smile.gif
>
> It's not about Sao Paolo, but Rio,
> home of lua, which is going to be the
> builtin language of the next version ...
>
>
> =A1pura vida!
>
>





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=E9m!
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Escrito en: 09. 01. 2005 [09:14]
roger@infomed.sld.cu
Roger Peña Escob
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Mensaje citado por rafael.antonio@sapo.pt:

> Dear Braulio,
>
> I have been followoing your developments but still without a good under=
standing
> about PHP-OpenISIS and WWWISIS.
> Malete is another doubt for me. I am using WINISIS and woul like to hav=
e a WEB
> acess but it is dificult to decide.
> Can you tell me any about this subject ?

well, you can compile php-openisis and create your own webpages and engin=
e, but also you
can help to developed clabel, this is and open project developed by me, i=
t use openisis
for all reading accsess to the isisdb and wxis for write access

you can find clabel in sourceforge.net/projects/clabel
clabel already have support for the OPAC, kardex, cataloging
you can define you own fdt and pft and thats it, it will work for you is=
isdb (not the
kardex but the opac and the cataloging will be)

i write clabel in spanish, icon_frown.gif , because it was target to the spanish wor=
ld but ...
i have plans to make it more international, maybe you are interested in h=
elp in that
direction


cu
roger

> Many thanks,
>
> Rafael Ant=F3nio - Portugal
>
> Citando Klaus Ripke <paul@malete.org>:
>
> > Hola listeros!
> >
> > Braulio Jos=E9 Solano Rojas wrote:
> > > Hola Klaus, =A1pr=F3spero a=F1o nuevo!
> > gutes neues Jahr!
> >
> > ... and maybe it's time to learn some
> > portoguese this year
> > ... no, we're about to acquire Bireme icon_smile.gif
> >
> > It's not about Sao Paolo, but Rio,
> > home of lua, which is going to be the
> > builtin language of the next version ...
> >
> >
> > =A1pura vida!
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> O SAPO j=E1 est=E1 livre de v=EDrus com a Panda Software, fique voc=EA =
tamb=E9m!
> Clique em: http://antivirus.sapo.pt
>


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Escrito en: 11. 01. 2005 [07:28]
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Israel Jose Cefrin da Silva
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# It's not about Sao Paolo, but Rio,
# home of lua, which is going to be the
# builtin language of the next version ...

What do you mean with 'lua' ???
Next version of malete ??




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Escrito en: 11. 01. 2005 [07:46]
paul@malete.org
Klaus Ripke
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Hola

On Tuesday 11 January 2005 13:28, you wrote:
> What do you mean with 'lua' ???
The language lua as found at lua.org

> Next version of malete ??
right, lua is our favourite candidate
for a builtin ("formatting") language,
since it's small and fast


saludos
Klaus

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Escrito en: 11. 01. 2005 [14:28]
braulio
Braulio Solano Rojas
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Hallo!

>> Next version of malete ??
> right, lua is our favourite candidate
> for a builtin ("formatting") language,
> since it's small and fast

Maybe this can sound foolish, but anyway I will ask... I've been reading
and they say that lua is MIT licensed. In the faq they say that lua is
compatible with GPL, but as far as I know MIT, BSD & friend licenses are
incompatible with GPL. Maybe I am wrong... Anyway OpenIsis is LGPL (is
there any difference). Did you gave any thoughts to this?

I am not a lawyer, just "computólogo" but sometimes I find this kind of
discussions interesting. I have learned a lot reading some threads in the
Internet discussing related matters. And of course I don't want to stop any
good iniciative, I am just curious. icon_wink.gif

Hasta pronto,

B.

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Escrito en: 12. 01. 2005 [08:29]
rafael.antonio@sapo.pt
rafael.antonio@sapo.pt
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Hello,

This is a nice debate. Just to add some ideas.
Lua can be the "moon" but it is better to look to the "earth" where we live.
Why not to use time and ressources to have a GPL version helping UNESCO
to do it.
WINISIS has more than 20 years of embebed knowledge and formating
language is actually powerfull and easy to use.
Some pieces need to be upgrated (mainly database) but I would prefer to
invest on it than on a new C flavour. What for?

Best regards to all really committed,

Rafael António




Braulio José Solano Rojas wrote:

> Hallo!
>
>>> Next version of malete ??
>>
>> right, lua is our favourite candidate
>> for a builtin ("formatting") language,
>> since it's small and fast
>
>
> Maybe this can sound foolish, but anyway I will ask... I've been
> reading and they say that lua is MIT licensed. In the faq they say
> that lua is compatible with GPL, but as far as I know MIT, BSD &
> friend licenses are incompatible with GPL. Maybe I am wrong...
> Anyway OpenIsis is LGPL (is there any difference). Did you gave any
> thoughts to this?
>
> I am not a lawyer, just "computólogo" but sometimes I find this kind
> of discussions interesting. I have learned a lot reading some threads
> in the Internet discussing related matters. And of course I don't
> want to stop any good iniciative, I am just curious. icon_wink.gif
>
> Hasta pronto,
>
> B.
>
>

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Escrito en: 12. 01. 2005 [12:05]
paul@malete.org
Klaus Ripke
registrado desde: 31.12.1969
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moin

On Wednesday 12 January 2005 14:29, Rafael Ant=F3nio wrote:
> Lua can be the "moon" but it is better to look to the "earth" where we
> live.
well, actually we picked lua, because it's much more easily
feasable to use it than anything else. It is there.
The "formatting language" is not!
We just don't have any code!


> Why not to use time and ressources to have a GPL version helping
> UNESCO to do it.
First of all, UNESCO's lawyers ruled out GPL -=20
developments where they participate need
to have LGPL or something even less restrictive.

Second, our stuff is there, ready for them to use
-- it's up to UNESCO to take it.
In June I visited Storti and his colleague Jean-Claude Dauphin in Paris
to talk about joint efforts. Since then I'm just waiting...

Then, help UNESCO to do what exactly?
Making some reasonable progress or sticking with the legacy?
Actually Storti is willing to sacrifice much more of old stuff than we di=
d.

I guess for all but the formatting language, we do have solutions with
both major improvements and a reasonable mode of interoperability.
Dont' we?


> WINISIS has more than 20 years of embebed knowledge and formating
> language is actually powerfull and easy to use.
"Embedded knowledge" is the right term.
Very deeply embedded, indeed.
Too deep, actually.
Storti is trying to get the formatting language out of this for some time=
now.
"It's just an awful mess" (not my words!).

They are trying to write a grammar for something like ANTLR
- which is impossible without making some changes,
because none of the variants of good old PFT adheres strictly to
some such grammar. Besides I consider ANTLR and things like
this much to big, so I prefer to use a clean new grammar with
a tiny and fast parser like that of lua.

Anyway, I always offered to integrate the traditional formatting language
as an option with our new features, once somebody gives me the code.
There are plans (to actually reimplement the ISIS.DLL);
Storti said he's working on making the necessary agreements,
and I'm waiting ...

I personally don't have the time to waste to redo this mess just because
they don't open the code. But if you are willing to do a clean room
implementation this is obviously very welcome!


> Some pieces need to be upgrated (mainly database) but I would prefer to
> invest on it than on a new C flavour.
hu! - Actually lua is closer to LISP in important concepts!

> What for?
In order to
- have a small and fast yet pretty complete and extensible language at ha=
nd
when writing FSTs
- do general ("PFT") formatting in a language which can be either the
same as or closely integrated with the environment's language,
instead of having to resort to PASCAL exits.

The PASCAL compiler alone comes no cheaper than a complete lua
environment, but with much less flexibility.

Again, if anybody feels like reimplementing only the traditional formatti=
ng
"language" and the go on to add PASCAL-extensibility, C-extensibility,
a reasonable string library with a powerful and efficient pattern matcher=
,
maybe some object-oriented style, some no-nonsense XML interface ...
very welcome!
But what for?


> > that lua is compatible with GPL, but as far as I know MIT, BSD &
> > friend licenses are incompatible with GPL. Maybe I am wrong...
Unlike GPL, these licenses are not infective.
Based on lua and even including and modifying lua you can
write code under any license you like, including GPL,
as long as you only include their copyright notice.

It's incompatible the other way round: you can not take some
GPLed stuff to create a MIT licensed system.


cheers to all
Klaus

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Escrito en: 12. 01. 2005 [12:46]
braulio
Braulio Solano Rojas
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Hi!

> well, actually we picked lua, because it's much more easily
> feasable to use it than anything else. It is there.
> The "formatting language" is not!
> We just don't have any code!

There are some things that I do not understand very well Klaus. That
formatting language is it necessary? It is a feature for people of
libraries? And why, Java, Perl, C, etc. are not considered formatting
languages? Because with PHP, for instance, I could make a script that
outputs HTML or XML in some format...

>> WINISIS has more than 20 years of embebed knowledge and formating
>> language is actually powerfull and easy to use.
> "Embedded knowledge" is the right term.
> Very deeply embedded, indeed.
> Too deep, actually.
> Storti is trying to get the formatting language out of this for some time
> now.
> "It's just an awful mess" (not my words!).

Actually, IMO, it is not easy to use or "user friendly". I am sure that
young computer scientists (recently graduated, may be not really young)
would not agree. The first time I saw a PFT it remembered me an old
language I used once (I will mantain the secret icon_smile.gif. And I don't think it
is powerfull. What if you want to add LDAP functionality to your
application for instance? I had the chance to work with WWWISIS 3.0 and
what I liked of the OpenIsis library was that I could extend other languages
with it, instead of trying to extend WWWISIS with new functionality. The
growth of languages like Java, PHP, Perl, Python, etc. is huge, therefore I
did not had to reinvent the weel again or to do "malabares" in order to have
fancy stuff in my application. Also, since a lot of people "know" that
languages maintainance of the applications is easier.

I know that a lot of people working with libraries are used to this
formatting language, but I am not interested in it. Maybe, because I grew
up differently. Of course, you have a lot of merits for what you did, but
maybe it is time to change. Anyway, I described here
http://solsoft.co.cr/openisis/interfaces-2004/presentacion-posibles-usos.html
some possible uses for OpenIsis, and what is really interesting for me right
now is bioinformatics. And some new features in Malete, like the patchwork,
could be useful to add bioinformatic algorithms since you already have the
powerful textual database (however I am not sure of this since I have not
had time to investigate further).

>> > that lua is compatible with GPL, but as far as I know MIT, BSD &
>> > friend licenses are incompatible with GPL. Maybe I am wrong...
> Unlike GPL, these licenses are not infective.
> Based on lua and even including and modifying lua you can
> write code under any license you like, including GPL,
> as long as you only include their copyright notice.

But, as a dynamic linking? I am still confused about this, since I've read
stuff of very "strong" thinkers of the GPL. Actually, I really don't care
very much, because freedom is freedom, but there are people that I am sure
will seek for this.

> It's incompatible the other way round: you can not take some
> GPLed stuff to create a MIT licensed system.

OK!

Bye!

B.

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